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silveradeptGreetings and welcome to 02021. It has already been terrible, and it continues to be terrible. Mira Furlan, known to an entire generation of Babylon 5 fans as Delenn, died from complications of the West Nile virus at sixty-five years of age. Having been chased from what is now Croatia by nationalists determined to make her a traitor, she was able to make it to the United States with herself and her history of feminist work intact.
Henry Louis Aaron, the man who busted Babe Ruth's home run record, among many other records that he shattered, has passed away at 86.
Supporters of the defeated candidate ransacked and attacked the United States Capitol building during the process of certification of the election, creating security issues, issues of fear for lives, and the possibility that their attack was aided by persons who were supposed to protect the legislators from them, or at least there were clearly members of the police who were more than friendly with those attackers. Have a timeline of the event itself, and the accounts of two reporters who were inside the chambers during the insurrection.
It became exceedingly clear, watching both the clips and the social media posts, that a mostly white conservative mob, despite engaging in actual violence, destruction, and insurrection, was treated with kid gloves compared to mostly black folx who were peacefully protesting and received chemical weapons, injuries, and militarized violence. And so we have it proven empirically, rather than people insisting it's only an abstract concept that white supremacy is riddled through policing and attitudes toward protest and violence. The Black officers of the Capitol police were attacked viciously and harshly even as the mob attempted to persuade the white officers to join them. Even though they had been forewarned, there was an insufficient police presence and they were unequipped to deal with a violent rioting mob. And so now there are calls for accountability for the police failing to do the job they were supposed to do. And also, the spectre of the very real possiblity that some of the people who were supposed to be helping stop the insurrection were more than okay with it happening, or helped it achieve its goals.
It is imperative that the media narrative not be allowed to stray from the reality that plenty of people who were in the Capitol were looking to kill and harm legislators, and they were not just average folx whipped up into a frenzy. Many of them were and are law enforcement and military personnel, and so they would know what they were doing, going in to attack a space. The insurrection had plenty of fringe adherents, but those fringe adherents looked like what people think "real America" looks like. I suspect you would find a similar makeup of people by looking at photographs that were taken from lynch mobs.
Having sent a mob to try and stop it by force, the insurrectionist continued to attempt to convince legislators to stop the certification of the electoral college's vote, as well as his personal lawyer. And he seemed delighted at what he had wrought.
Advice from a different disaster on avoiding getting locked in a bad loop, written by Mike Ford, linked from a more comprehensive list of self-care things that can be tried in difficult times. And, in case you or someone you know needs it, Life After Hate tries to help people who want to and are leaving hate and extremism. Which, one hopes, those who have followed the QAnon conspiracy will take advantage of, as the biggest of the cult's propheices failed to happen. (And unlike certain Christians and their churches, it looks like the failed prophecies are causing people to desert, rather than reinforce, their beliefs.)
They were serious, and made it exceedingly clear they were serious about what they were doing, and like so many things in the last four years, incompetence may have saved a lot of lives, even with the insufficiency that met them. Except, perhaps, for an officer, Eugene Goodman, who lured a mob away from the Senate floor by himself to buy additional time to get it secured.
You may take some small cheer in the understanding that the outgoing losing candidate has been suspended and blocked from his social media outlets. Or that the runoff victories in Georgia means that the Democratic Party will have control of both houses of government, assuming their coalition holds together completely. And that, with so little time left, the rats have finally decided to swim to shore rather than believe the sunken ship will suddenly burst foth again with a new hover engine, including some entirely predictable behavior about who gets paid and who doesn't. Perhaps the most genuinely good thing is that most of Parler's data may have been scraped, including the posts and videos that were uploaded to it with all sorts of metadata that may be very useful in tracking down the insurrectionists. That is, right before Parler was booted from all the places that were hosting it and providing management tools for it on the Internet. (There's still more work to do about the fact that Parler was still able to be on those places in the first place.)
But the party that brought you this and enabled it now wants you to believe they never intended for this to happen and they've been on your side the entire time. No matter what they say, the loser of the election attempted a coup upon the government so as not to transition his power. And for that, he's been impeached again, the only President to recieve such a singular dishonor. And even more shame upon the leader of the Senate, who can't possibly find time to put him on trial until after the scheduled transfer of power, because he chooses, along with his entire party, the pathway that explicitly disregards norms and unwritten rules that are necessary for democracy because playing the A/B game and always choosing betray will help his team much more than it will ever hurt them. And they assume the consequences of such will never catch up to them.
And even after all of that, eight Senators and one hundred thirty-nine Representatives supported the big lie and voted to overturn the results of the election. They should all be removed or resign their offices. Not all corporations are suspending their donations to treasonweasels, so whatever consumer pressure you can exert on them to try and get them to not continue to support them is a good idea. The PGA has already removed the PGA championship that was going to be held at a gold course the insurrectionist owns.
The way forward is for the insurrectionists to be prosecuted, their elite enablers shamed and shunned, if they aren't prosecuted themselves, and their networks dismantled, all while staying withing the bounds of the law, so that instead of one person yelling "LAW AND ORDER", and behaving nothing like that, the democracy prevents the insurrectionists from getting propaganda for their next attempt and makes it even less attractive of an option to try again.
And, despite our worst fears, the reign of the doubly-impeached wound itself down and fizzled out, leaving us with a complete legacy of lies and malice. He left, under his own power, without any need to be escorted out forcefully, even as he proclaimed he wants to be back, and that he will be back. And after he left, the incoming administration moved swiftly to remove his flunkies and his terrible decisions from being policy.
And the inauguration happened, where the country was introduced, or reintorduced, to the Youth Poet Laureate, Amanda Gorman, through reading "The Hill We Climb", a spoken word poem, [transcript with video from the Guardian] which contained a couple Hamilton references, because it could, where the Pledge of Allegiance was both spoken and signed simultaneously by the person chosen to deliver it, and the inauguration ceremony itself had multiple people with disabilities (or who made things more accessible for people with disabilities) performing and speaking. And a new President gave an address to demarcate the end of the previous era and the beginning of a new one, one that intended to move back in the direction that the inhabitants of the country are more used to, trying to indicate that where it is possible, there will be attempts to unify, but that several of the things embraced and upheld by the last administration are explicitly excluded from that idea of unity. And that acknowledged the death and the pain that the last four years have brought us, those who have survived, and called upon us to fight the things that have been allowed to exist and to do harm, because those who perpetuated it weren't hurt by it and those who were hurt by it couldn't stop it.
The village of Vice President Kamala Harris's ancestors held a celebration for her inauguration, and a kolam, described as art that is meant to be a welcome, was created for Vice President Harris as a way of honoring her ancestry. Marketplace commissioned Dessa to create a song for the first female Secretary of the Treasury, Janet Yellen. (And it's Hamiltonian in nature.)
Unfortunately, the depths of what this administration attempted may never be fully known, as the doubly-impeached was very fond of destroying documents and communicating with unofficial channels, rather than complying with records retention requirements of the law. Significant quantities of documents may have already been reconstituted with tape and other non-archival quality materials, and it seems almost certain that while the originals may be preserved, facsimilies will likely be the things that most researchers will have available to them because of these destructive acts.
Trying to fight one -ism by engaging in another is counterproductive. Noticing it can sometimes be difficult, because if a group is sufficiently white-adjacent, or is chasing whiteness, additional effort is needed to un-tangle ideas that should be separated. Because then there are competing interests, in trying to get as close to the oppressor as possible, in the hopes that they will see you as mostly harmless and allow you comfort and mostly leave you alone, and in trying to overthrow the oppressor, which makes everyone's station better and removes the oppression for everyone. Add on that the oppressor is good at trying to divide their opposition, and the whole thing becomes even more complex. The rewards and the structures of economies based on gifts and abundance for all would be better for everyone, but they require shifting away from the sacred tenets of Market Capitalism.
The Incalculable Loss, showing the names of Black people killed by police violence in the same style as the front-page spread of SARS-CoV-2 deaths.
Kindness is a praxis, not an innate attribute, and it's very easy to confuse the two. [PDF] If you wish peace on earth, wish peace to those of good will, not just good will toward all. Because some demands for respect are legitimate ones, and other ones are demands that you suborn yourself to someone else. And in this day and age, we want to make sure that the edgelords and the people who are floating trial balloons don't have a foothold in any society other than their edgelord selves, because when they get those footholds, they tend to get their shit everywhere.
Israel has been distributing vaccination for SARS-CoV-2 at an accelerated rate...to Israelis. Palestinians apparently must fend for themselves, which is a terrible idea because it's not smart, it's not ethical, and it may not be legal according to the accords.
Especially with the mutated form of the virus out and looking to infect as well.
Poetry in the time of the virus, created bymrissa. And the issues that come with people dying and their survivors being unable to perform the rituals of death and closure they seek.
Additionally, it turns out that most of us have been doing the things that we are supposed to be doing to stop spread, but we pay more attention to the people who aren't. With one exception: being able to self-isolate when you have the virus, but that's a structural problem rather than an individual one. So even though it feels to me like I'm seeing more people without masks on a regular basis, I might be specifically keying into those people because I think of them as potentially dangerous and ignoring how many people I see that do have their masks on because they're not seen as dangerous. I am more concerned about people deciding that it's safe not to wear masks now because some amount of the population has been vaccinated, so we're all safe again.
A mission to preserve the folk and fairy tales of Turkey, bringing them back after they had fallen out of political favor. A person who is challenging themselves to read more challenging, but also makes the mistake of generalizing and also suggests that comfort and pleasurable reading is somehow less worthy and valuable than challenging reading. (I am disappointed and I really do not want people to think of reading as only counting when it's a challenge, because that's how we kill the enjoyment of reading.) Regency period ice skating, and which times people might have been able to skate on their local frozen water. Also, specific advertisements by supposedly medical practitioners for disabled people to live in with them, People with specific aesthetic choices and the ways they disguise what things that are not of the era, because all of the people talked to have very little interest in living the values of the era of their chosen aesthetic, which makees them a damn sight better than all of the Evangelical Christian cosplayers who really do want body and mind together in their Past That Never Was.
A scheme to get pregnant women to come from the Marshall Islands to the United States, so they would give up their children for adoption. Once the children were acquired, the women were forgotten and left to languish. Elsewhere, an online exhibition about the children born to black U.S. General Infrantry fathers and swhen they were in the United Kingdom, and the types of discrimination they encountered.
A service known more for providing equity in pregnancy termination is also opening up IVF clinics to help address inequalities on that part of pregnancy.
When it comes to understanding sex and reproduction, a lot of popular myths seem to survive long after studies that disprove them have been done. A TED Talk about the myth that body is a clearer indication of desire than mind, and how a significant amount of life and law could be changed and interpreted so as to be less terrible to people by understanding arousal nonconcordance.
Australia's census in choosing gender-inclusive langauge and separating sex and gender, with nonbinary options available.
A story of a pig that became a mascot and a lucky charm and raised significant amounts of money for charity, a baby wombat and their caretaker, the regular dispute between cat logic about what's a bed and human insistence on what's a bed, bison coming back into the United Kingdom, a cat that reappeared after having been thought lost in a mudslide and a cat rescued from an airport terminal ceiling after it bolted, and the tigers in an exotic zoo have been ordered turned over after documented animal welfare abuses.
In technology, falsehoods programmers believe about time zones, which are just as fraught a problem to deal with as names are.
Abolish cop shit in classrooms, especially the surveillance infrastructure that assumes all students are looking to cheat or grift and can only be defeated by increasingly intrusive measures. Because, most of the time, a student that cheats isn't doing it for the lulz or the evulz, but because they've been pressured into unteneable situations. So, y'know, if the purpose of schooling is for people to learn, then that should be the actual goal. But, of course, if the purpose of schooling is to control and to keep children somewhere while their adults toil for wages, and any actual education is secondary, then this is pretty much what we could have expected to happen. And it's possible that mostly privileged schools are able to do the former, while mostly disprivileged schools are specifically told to do the latter, lest what little funding they have evaporated entirely because their poor performance means even more money should be taken away from them and given to the schools that already have enough.
Last for tonight, a platformer game about the year that was, in all the...fun that happened in 2020. And a conscious decision made by an immigrant to adopt as much as possible about the place he moved to, including the accented English, so much so that he's made a YouTube channel specifically for similar immigrants on how to improve their English by adopting the Southern accent.
Additionally, read the replies and quote tweets to this tweet, made in reaction to yet another bad take about the supposed vices of fanfiction. (The Mary Sue explains what the bad take was and has some more examples of authors dunking on it.) You'll probably spot some very famous voices among all the others. It's really rather nice that published authors are able to admit that theey make fic, or that fic helped them become better authors and sharpen their abilities. Or that fic is good for them because it allows them to just write fun stuff.
And a very short poem about how people can go forward after something, but that doesn't mean they have forgiven.
Henry Louis Aaron, the man who busted Babe Ruth's home run record, among many other records that he shattered, has passed away at 86.
Supporters of the defeated candidate ransacked and attacked the United States Capitol building during the process of certification of the election, creating security issues, issues of fear for lives, and the possibility that their attack was aided by persons who were supposed to protect the legislators from them, or at least there were clearly members of the police who were more than friendly with those attackers. Have a timeline of the event itself, and the accounts of two reporters who were inside the chambers during the insurrection.
It became exceedingly clear, watching both the clips and the social media posts, that a mostly white conservative mob, despite engaging in actual violence, destruction, and insurrection, was treated with kid gloves compared to mostly black folx who were peacefully protesting and received chemical weapons, injuries, and militarized violence. And so we have it proven empirically, rather than people insisting it's only an abstract concept that white supremacy is riddled through policing and attitudes toward protest and violence. The Black officers of the Capitol police were attacked viciously and harshly even as the mob attempted to persuade the white officers to join them. Even though they had been forewarned, there was an insufficient police presence and they were unequipped to deal with a violent rioting mob. And so now there are calls for accountability for the police failing to do the job they were supposed to do. And also, the spectre of the very real possiblity that some of the people who were supposed to be helping stop the insurrection were more than okay with it happening, or helped it achieve its goals.
It is imperative that the media narrative not be allowed to stray from the reality that plenty of people who were in the Capitol were looking to kill and harm legislators, and they were not just average folx whipped up into a frenzy. Many of them were and are law enforcement and military personnel, and so they would know what they were doing, going in to attack a space. The insurrection had plenty of fringe adherents, but those fringe adherents looked like what people think "real America" looks like. I suspect you would find a similar makeup of people by looking at photographs that were taken from lynch mobs.
Having sent a mob to try and stop it by force, the insurrectionist continued to attempt to convince legislators to stop the certification of the electoral college's vote, as well as his personal lawyer. And he seemed delighted at what he had wrought.
Advice from a different disaster on avoiding getting locked in a bad loop, written by Mike Ford, linked from a more comprehensive list of self-care things that can be tried in difficult times. And, in case you or someone you know needs it, Life After Hate tries to help people who want to and are leaving hate and extremism. Which, one hopes, those who have followed the QAnon conspiracy will take advantage of, as the biggest of the cult's propheices failed to happen. (And unlike certain Christians and their churches, it looks like the failed prophecies are causing people to desert, rather than reinforce, their beliefs.)
They were serious, and made it exceedingly clear they were serious about what they were doing, and like so many things in the last four years, incompetence may have saved a lot of lives, even with the insufficiency that met them. Except, perhaps, for an officer, Eugene Goodman, who lured a mob away from the Senate floor by himself to buy additional time to get it secured.
You may take some small cheer in the understanding that the outgoing losing candidate has been suspended and blocked from his social media outlets. Or that the runoff victories in Georgia means that the Democratic Party will have control of both houses of government, assuming their coalition holds together completely. And that, with so little time left, the rats have finally decided to swim to shore rather than believe the sunken ship will suddenly burst foth again with a new hover engine, including some entirely predictable behavior about who gets paid and who doesn't. Perhaps the most genuinely good thing is that most of Parler's data may have been scraped, including the posts and videos that were uploaded to it with all sorts of metadata that may be very useful in tracking down the insurrectionists. That is, right before Parler was booted from all the places that were hosting it and providing management tools for it on the Internet. (There's still more work to do about the fact that Parler was still able to be on those places in the first place.)
But the party that brought you this and enabled it now wants you to believe they never intended for this to happen and they've been on your side the entire time. No matter what they say, the loser of the election attempted a coup upon the government so as not to transition his power. And for that, he's been impeached again, the only President to recieve such a singular dishonor. And even more shame upon the leader of the Senate, who can't possibly find time to put him on trial until after the scheduled transfer of power, because he chooses, along with his entire party, the pathway that explicitly disregards norms and unwritten rules that are necessary for democracy because playing the A/B game and always choosing betray will help his team much more than it will ever hurt them. And they assume the consequences of such will never catch up to them.
And even after all of that, eight Senators and one hundred thirty-nine Representatives supported the big lie and voted to overturn the results of the election. They should all be removed or resign their offices. Not all corporations are suspending their donations to treasonweasels, so whatever consumer pressure you can exert on them to try and get them to not continue to support them is a good idea. The PGA has already removed the PGA championship that was going to be held at a gold course the insurrectionist owns.
The way forward is for the insurrectionists to be prosecuted, their elite enablers shamed and shunned, if they aren't prosecuted themselves, and their networks dismantled, all while staying withing the bounds of the law, so that instead of one person yelling "LAW AND ORDER", and behaving nothing like that, the democracy prevents the insurrectionists from getting propaganda for their next attempt and makes it even less attractive of an option to try again.
And, despite our worst fears, the reign of the doubly-impeached wound itself down and fizzled out, leaving us with a complete legacy of lies and malice. He left, under his own power, without any need to be escorted out forcefully, even as he proclaimed he wants to be back, and that he will be back. And after he left, the incoming administration moved swiftly to remove his flunkies and his terrible decisions from being policy.
And the inauguration happened, where the country was introduced, or reintorduced, to the Youth Poet Laureate, Amanda Gorman, through reading "The Hill We Climb", a spoken word poem, [transcript with video from the Guardian] which contained a couple Hamilton references, because it could, where the Pledge of Allegiance was both spoken and signed simultaneously by the person chosen to deliver it, and the inauguration ceremony itself had multiple people with disabilities (or who made things more accessible for people with disabilities) performing and speaking. And a new President gave an address to demarcate the end of the previous era and the beginning of a new one, one that intended to move back in the direction that the inhabitants of the country are more used to, trying to indicate that where it is possible, there will be attempts to unify, but that several of the things embraced and upheld by the last administration are explicitly excluded from that idea of unity. And that acknowledged the death and the pain that the last four years have brought us, those who have survived, and called upon us to fight the things that have been allowed to exist and to do harm, because those who perpetuated it weren't hurt by it and those who were hurt by it couldn't stop it.
The village of Vice President Kamala Harris's ancestors held a celebration for her inauguration, and a kolam, described as art that is meant to be a welcome, was created for Vice President Harris as a way of honoring her ancestry. Marketplace commissioned Dessa to create a song for the first female Secretary of the Treasury, Janet Yellen. (And it's Hamiltonian in nature.)
Unfortunately, the depths of what this administration attempted may never be fully known, as the doubly-impeached was very fond of destroying documents and communicating with unofficial channels, rather than complying with records retention requirements of the law. Significant quantities of documents may have already been reconstituted with tape and other non-archival quality materials, and it seems almost certain that while the originals may be preserved, facsimilies will likely be the things that most researchers will have available to them because of these destructive acts.
Trying to fight one -ism by engaging in another is counterproductive. Noticing it can sometimes be difficult, because if a group is sufficiently white-adjacent, or is chasing whiteness, additional effort is needed to un-tangle ideas that should be separated. Because then there are competing interests, in trying to get as close to the oppressor as possible, in the hopes that they will see you as mostly harmless and allow you comfort and mostly leave you alone, and in trying to overthrow the oppressor, which makes everyone's station better and removes the oppression for everyone. Add on that the oppressor is good at trying to divide their opposition, and the whole thing becomes even more complex. The rewards and the structures of economies based on gifts and abundance for all would be better for everyone, but they require shifting away from the sacred tenets of Market Capitalism.
The Incalculable Loss, showing the names of Black people killed by police violence in the same style as the front-page spread of SARS-CoV-2 deaths.
Kindness is a praxis, not an innate attribute, and it's very easy to confuse the two. [PDF] If you wish peace on earth, wish peace to those of good will, not just good will toward all. Because some demands for respect are legitimate ones, and other ones are demands that you suborn yourself to someone else. And in this day and age, we want to make sure that the edgelords and the people who are floating trial balloons don't have a foothold in any society other than their edgelord selves, because when they get those footholds, they tend to get their shit everywhere.
Israel has been distributing vaccination for SARS-CoV-2 at an accelerated rate...to Israelis. Palestinians apparently must fend for themselves, which is a terrible idea because it's not smart, it's not ethical, and it may not be legal according to the accords.
Especially with the mutated form of the virus out and looking to infect as well.
Poetry in the time of the virus, created by
mrissa. And the issues that come with people dying and their survivors being unable to perform the rituals of death and closure they seek.Additionally, it turns out that most of us have been doing the things that we are supposed to be doing to stop spread, but we pay more attention to the people who aren't. With one exception: being able to self-isolate when you have the virus, but that's a structural problem rather than an individual one. So even though it feels to me like I'm seeing more people without masks on a regular basis, I might be specifically keying into those people because I think of them as potentially dangerous and ignoring how many people I see that do have their masks on because they're not seen as dangerous. I am more concerned about people deciding that it's safe not to wear masks now because some amount of the population has been vaccinated, so we're all safe again.
A mission to preserve the folk and fairy tales of Turkey, bringing them back after they had fallen out of political favor. A person who is challenging themselves to read more challenging, but also makes the mistake of generalizing and also suggests that comfort and pleasurable reading is somehow less worthy and valuable than challenging reading. (I am disappointed and I really do not want people to think of reading as only counting when it's a challenge, because that's how we kill the enjoyment of reading.) Regency period ice skating, and which times people might have been able to skate on their local frozen water. Also, specific advertisements by supposedly medical practitioners for disabled people to live in with them, People with specific aesthetic choices and the ways they disguise what things that are not of the era, because all of the people talked to have very little interest in living the values of the era of their chosen aesthetic, which makees them a damn sight better than all of the Evangelical Christian cosplayers who really do want body and mind together in their Past That Never Was.
A scheme to get pregnant women to come from the Marshall Islands to the United States, so they would give up their children for adoption. Once the children were acquired, the women were forgotten and left to languish. Elsewhere, an online exhibition about the children born to black U.S. General Infrantry fathers and swhen they were in the United Kingdom, and the types of discrimination they encountered.
A service known more for providing equity in pregnancy termination is also opening up IVF clinics to help address inequalities on that part of pregnancy.
When it comes to understanding sex and reproduction, a lot of popular myths seem to survive long after studies that disprove them have been done. A TED Talk about the myth that body is a clearer indication of desire than mind, and how a significant amount of life and law could be changed and interpreted so as to be less terrible to people by understanding arousal nonconcordance.
Australia's census in choosing gender-inclusive langauge and separating sex and gender, with nonbinary options available.
A story of a pig that became a mascot and a lucky charm and raised significant amounts of money for charity, a baby wombat and their caretaker, the regular dispute between cat logic about what's a bed and human insistence on what's a bed, bison coming back into the United Kingdom, a cat that reappeared after having been thought lost in a mudslide and a cat rescued from an airport terminal ceiling after it bolted, and the tigers in an exotic zoo have been ordered turned over after documented animal welfare abuses.
In technology, falsehoods programmers believe about time zones, which are just as fraught a problem to deal with as names are.
Abolish cop shit in classrooms, especially the surveillance infrastructure that assumes all students are looking to cheat or grift and can only be defeated by increasingly intrusive measures. Because, most of the time, a student that cheats isn't doing it for the lulz or the evulz, but because they've been pressured into unteneable situations. So, y'know, if the purpose of schooling is for people to learn, then that should be the actual goal. But, of course, if the purpose of schooling is to control and to keep children somewhere while their adults toil for wages, and any actual education is secondary, then this is pretty much what we could have expected to happen. And it's possible that mostly privileged schools are able to do the former, while mostly disprivileged schools are specifically told to do the latter, lest what little funding they have evaporated entirely because their poor performance means even more money should be taken away from them and given to the schools that already have enough.
Last for tonight, a platformer game about the year that was, in all the...fun that happened in 2020. And a conscious decision made by an immigrant to adopt as much as possible about the place he moved to, including the accented English, so much so that he's made a YouTube channel specifically for similar immigrants on how to improve their English by adopting the Southern accent.
Additionally, read the replies and quote tweets to this tweet, made in reaction to yet another bad take about the supposed vices of fanfiction. (The Mary Sue explains what the bad take was and has some more examples of authors dunking on it.) You'll probably spot some very famous voices among all the others. It's really rather nice that published authors are able to admit that theey make fic, or that fic helped them become better authors and sharpen their abilities. Or that fic is good for them because it allows them to just write fun stuff.
And a very short poem about how people can go forward after something, but that doesn't mean they have forgiven.
