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silveradeptAfter an involved discussion about death and views thereof, the Residents gathered for a huddle, mostly to but some ice on "Me" 's broken body and make sure there weren't any permanent injuries.
Edit: It appears that the intent was not malice from the entity, but from the Internet connection of said entity. Just goes to show how easy it is to leap to unwarranted conclusions. Also, the pronouns have been changed to suit new information. Ye gods, it's tough figuring things out in this day and age.
Hrm. I think we pissed her off.
Well, that's what happens when I discuss metaphysics with someone who knows more than I do. My ignorance shines like a lighthouse. She was just relentlessly rational about it. As you all witnessed, my beliefs looks much like Swiss cheese when exposed to that particular knife.
I'd say we did all right.
That would imply some measure of success. I'm not sure that he's willing to claim any.
Not really, no. I'd like to say I at least held ground, but if this were being scored, I'd say I took the beating of my life. Not even pride is salvageable from this wreck.
Well, you weren't intentionally trying to piss her off, were you?
I'd say not.
Then why worry?
Because I'd say she's disappointed. As cliched as it sounds, we probably turned out to be just another weak human, with no aspirations of bettering himself, content to live convenient lies.
Ah. We took a reputation hit. That explains a few things.
Well, it's just one of those things, yaknow - I can handle being someone with a difference of opinion, but I know that I can get pretty easily ticked off if I think that someone's looking down on me.
I doubt he is. It may have just been frustration - you weren't putting forward convincing arguments, yet you didn't seem too willing to move from your position.
A clash of reality fragments, I guess. It is rather illogical to have any belief in things that are improbable. And we know that it can be really frustrating to someone when you think or know that someone's wrong, and all they have to do is see it, it's so obvious, and either they overlook it or they look right at it, study it, and still don't admit to being wrong. Or do admit to the possibility of being wrong, but, as you said, don't budge.
Well, what can you do about it? Apologize for being stubborn and stick to your guns?
No, not really. She did get me thinking about the reasoning behind my beliefs. It's not good for a discussion to say "Because I do." and leave it at that, though. More often than not, that invokes an even greater shouting. I tried to explain it as best I could, but admittedly, until pressed about such things, one never really knows what one believes and why.
She did you a favor, then, by forcing you to think, to reason, to explain as best you could.
Trying to explain beliefs still in flux can be tough, though. There's always something else that I might change to. We're pretty easily distracted by shinies that way.
Isn't that the truth.
So nice of you to join the conversation. Realistically, though, we don't have a leg to stand on to justify our beliefs. All of the reasoning by analogy that we can do means precisely dick if we're not using the same definitions, if we can use them at all. As well as any other reasoning we might bring to bear.
No kidding. (Echoed.)
This could be one of those places where one agrees to disagree.
As I said, there's no problem with that - the thing is, I respect her enough that I want to try and explain it, even if I fail miserably at it every time.
Get used to disappointment, then. As you've said before, when two reality fragments collide and differ, there are three options: compromise, one accepts the other's view, or one/both walks away from it.
Yeah, and there's this nagging part of my psyche that wants me to be accepted by everyone that I mean. Maybe it's a meme-propagation instinct. Or that search for understanding of all things. Admittedly, if I'm going to want to understand all things, I'm going to have to revisit the subject at some point.
Anyway, the point is, I came away from it feeling like I'd greatly offended and hadn't particularly accomplished anything, without intending to do either. Thus, the current state of mind.
Edit: It appears that the intent was not malice from the entity, but from the Internet connection of said entity. Just goes to show how easy it is to leap to unwarranted conclusions. Also, the pronouns have been changed to suit new information. Ye gods, it's tough figuring things out in this day and age.
Hrm. I think we pissed her off.
Well, that's what happens when I discuss metaphysics with someone who knows more than I do. My ignorance shines like a lighthouse. She was just relentlessly rational about it. As you all witnessed, my beliefs looks much like Swiss cheese when exposed to that particular knife.
I'd say we did all right.
That would imply some measure of success. I'm not sure that he's willing to claim any.
Not really, no. I'd like to say I at least held ground, but if this were being scored, I'd say I took the beating of my life. Not even pride is salvageable from this wreck.
Well, you weren't intentionally trying to piss her off, were you?
I'd say not.
Then why worry?
Because I'd say she's disappointed. As cliched as it sounds, we probably turned out to be just another weak human, with no aspirations of bettering himself, content to live convenient lies.
Ah. We took a reputation hit. That explains a few things.
Well, it's just one of those things, yaknow - I can handle being someone with a difference of opinion, but I know that I can get pretty easily ticked off if I think that someone's looking down on me.
I doubt he is. It may have just been frustration - you weren't putting forward convincing arguments, yet you didn't seem too willing to move from your position.
A clash of reality fragments, I guess. It is rather illogical to have any belief in things that are improbable. And we know that it can be really frustrating to someone when you think or know that someone's wrong, and all they have to do is see it, it's so obvious, and either they overlook it or they look right at it, study it, and still don't admit to being wrong. Or do admit to the possibility of being wrong, but, as you said, don't budge.
Well, what can you do about it? Apologize for being stubborn and stick to your guns?
No, not really. She did get me thinking about the reasoning behind my beliefs. It's not good for a discussion to say "Because I do." and leave it at that, though. More often than not, that invokes an even greater shouting. I tried to explain it as best I could, but admittedly, until pressed about such things, one never really knows what one believes and why.
She did you a favor, then, by forcing you to think, to reason, to explain as best you could.
Trying to explain beliefs still in flux can be tough, though. There's always something else that I might change to. We're pretty easily distracted by shinies that way.
Isn't that the truth.
So nice of you to join the conversation. Realistically, though, we don't have a leg to stand on to justify our beliefs. All of the reasoning by analogy that we can do means precisely dick if we're not using the same definitions, if we can use them at all. As well as any other reasoning we might bring to bear.
No kidding. (Echoed.)
This could be one of those places where one agrees to disagree.
As I said, there's no problem with that - the thing is, I respect her enough that I want to try and explain it, even if I fail miserably at it every time.
Get used to disappointment, then. As you've said before, when two reality fragments collide and differ, there are three options: compromise, one accepts the other's view, or one/both walks away from it.
Yeah, and there's this nagging part of my psyche that wants me to be accepted by everyone that I mean. Maybe it's a meme-propagation instinct. Or that search for understanding of all things. Admittedly, if I'm going to want to understand all things, I'm going to have to revisit the subject at some point.
Anyway, the point is, I came away from it feeling like I'd greatly offended and hadn't particularly accomplished anything, without intending to do either. Thus, the current state of mind.
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Date: 2006-03-13 05:33 am (UTC)Is there a preferred pronoun (or possibly, did I miss a gendering assignment entirely?) that one should use for referring to any singular entity such as yourself or M?
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Date: 2006-03-13 10:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-13 03:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-13 03:45 pm (UTC)N) (Thank you.)
M) (...don't push me...)
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Date: 2006-03-13 03:53 pm (UTC)