silveradept: A dragon librarian, wearing a floral print shirt and pince-nez glasses, carrying a book in the left paw. Red and white. (Dragon Librarian)
[personal profile] silveradept
[It's December Days time! There's no overarching theme this year, so if you have ideas of things to write about, I'm more than happy to hear them.]

If I haven't mentioned it yet, I detest reading level systems like Accelerated Reader and Lexile, when they're not being used strictly as assessment tools. The general purpose of these systems is to assign, based on length, complexity, and density of text, a numerical score to any given work of prose. The higher the score, the more complex the text is, generally speaking. There's also a framework around the scores set so that each major division of score (single point for AR, 100 points for Lexile) roughly corresponds to what the average child of a given grade level can read. So a 3.0 AR score or a means a child entering third grade should be able to read the work without trouble. (Lexile explicitly disclaims this use, saying their system is just for classification, but providing what they consider to be the ranges of the 25th-75th percentiles for each grade level.)

As an assessment result, it's probably helpful for seeing who is reading at grade level and how far behind some percentage is. That way, those who need it can get extra instruction on reading in an attempt to bring them up to level. (Only for many of those behind to get struck by another Summer slide - enrichment and practice and books are often in short supply where they are needed most.)

One of the things that fosters enjoyment of reading and the commensurate amount of practice with text it takes to become fluent and able to read well is free choice of books. Being able to select materials according to interest, enjoyment, and format ensures that a reader has the best chance of a positive experience with books. Especially nonfiction text - interest trumps just about anything when it comes to learning facts, figures, statistics, and so forth.

There are fewer things more effective at killing someone's interest in reading than to tell them they can only read materials within a restricted range. And yet, that's what these systems are used to do in the service of reading practice when implemented poorly.

They are all implemented poorly, whether by teaching to tests that are supposed to reward comprehension, or by restricting reading, or by the very act of taking a complex child and their relationships to text and reducing it to a single number, one that can be posted for their peers to see and pass judgment on. Or for the teachers to pass judgment on.

How horrible it is that we take the act of acquiring knowledge and stories and reduce it down until we have distilled all of the fun out of it and eliminated any desire for someone to do it on their own.
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Date: 2016-12-13 04:45 am (UTC)
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)
From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
When I was in first grade, I checked exactly one long chapter book out of the school library. The librarian gave me the "That's way above your head, little lady" thing. And I saw my peers having a great time with the sort of brightly colored, pop culture laden (something my father scorned) and *fun* books aimed at the typical first grade reading level.

I would select several of the fun ones, after that, read several of them while in the library for our allotted book selection time, and check out the remaining two.

I kept the chapter books to the public library, where they were unsurprised to see me toting around as many books as I could carry, of whatever size and complexity. No-one interfered with my choices there, except knowing that I was under the watchful eye of my parents.
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Date: 2016-12-14 02:17 am (UTC)
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)
From: [personal profile] azurelunatic

My parents didn't see why I might want literary junk food when there were so many good books out there. So it all worked out.

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Date: 2016-12-13 06:19 am (UTC)
wohali: photograph of Joan (Default)
From: [personal profile] wohali
When I was going through my PhD in Education, one of the things they wanted us to do was to calculate metrics such as the ones you describe for student's forum posts and homeworks as a way of determining how engaged they were with the topic at hand. I was appalled. My advisor backed me up, saying that such things were "the hallmark of the US education system" and that "not everything can be reduced to a number," but later on even she embraced these scores as at least one aspect of trying to assess student performance.

Rigorous mathematical assessment of prose is one reason I stopped pursuing my PhD.
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Date: 2016-12-13 03:28 pm (UTC)
redsixwing: A red knotwork emblem. (Default)
From: [personal profile] redsixwing
Egad. Is THAT what they're doing? That's horrific. Way to maul somebody's chances of actually LEARNING reading comprehension, by presenting them with material at level and material +1. (Or +2 or 3. Some of us learn faster when presented with hurdles.)


Probably off topic, as it's a very different usage, but I'm going to leave this here anyway:

...I like graded readers, as a language learner. They're a good way for me to set a bottom level and make sure I can get over that (admittedly low) hurdle - you must be able to read at this complexity to pass the test.

Never would I limit myself to my N-level graded readers, though. They're way too simplistic for that, even though they were designed with adult language learners in mind. Those are a floor, not a ceiling, and they get real boring real fast once I can routinely handle the complexity presented.
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Date: 2016-12-13 09:57 pm (UTC)
sithjawa: Black and white drawing of a wolf’s head in profile (Default)
From: [personal profile] sithjawa
I have long wondered why (beyond the level required for basic comprehension) reading is privileged. When I was a young adult, I wasn't allowed TV (until the high school started assigning required movies), mom would periodically discover that I was actually doing interesting things on the internet and restrict my access, I mostly wasn't allowed to see friends or go out alone or, you know, basically anything --- but despite mom having repeatedly discovered me reading upsettingly interesting things and taking them away and lecturing me, she never monitored my access to books. Reading was perceived as a basic right for children in a way that my mom wasn't willing to challenge even in private. it's long been a substantial loophole in the more totalitarian kinds of parental control (the idea-related kinds, you know, don't watch that TV show it has thoughtcrime) and I don't entirely understand why this is allowed, when such control is often encouraged if it's of, say, TV or video games. It seems to send mixed messages about how children should be raised.

edit: Because, like, there seems to be a general acceptance of the concept of books teaching rebellious thought, or that rebellious thought encouraged by books is a better quality of rebellious thought than that encouraged by other media. That's where I get confused, because I don't think the... type of anti-authoritarian idea that an idea is depends on what media is used to present it?
Edited Date: 2016-12-13 09:59 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2016-12-14 01:28 am (UTC)
sithjawa: Black and white drawing of a wolf’s head in profile (Default)
From: [personal profile] sithjawa
Right?? It never ceases to amaze me that The Classics tend to be accepted while things that are much less potentially disturbing, violent, or subversive are challenged. For that matter, how many people learned that it's possible to present as some gender other than the one everybody says you are via Shakespeare?


You have a point about visual vs. textual depictions. The more something *looks like reality* the more people want to apply ratings (at the least) to it.
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Date: 2016-12-14 01:54 am (UTC)
sithjawa: Black and white drawing of a wolf’s head in profile (Default)
From: [personal profile] sithjawa
Traditionally published text though, yeah? I don't think the same "this is rarely challenged any more" thing applies to text that exists on the internet.
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Date: 2016-12-14 01:55 am (UTC)
sithjawa: Black and white drawing of a wolf’s head in profile (Default)
From: [personal profile] sithjawa
And of course, there's also the challenges that authors receive re: text *before* it's published. At least, I seem to recall tales of publishers requesting people remove gay characters, etc.
Edited Date: 2016-12-14 01:55 am (UTC)
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Date: 2016-12-14 04:39 pm (UTC)
sithjawa: Black and white drawing of a wolf’s head in profile (Default)
From: [personal profile] sithjawa
Oh, yes! I don't want to see what you mean but I do! And what programs are cut in schools, too. But visual art and music have been around forever, too... I wonder why they aren't also "past that point?"
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Date: 2016-12-14 07:48 pm (UTC)
sithjawa: Black and white drawing of a wolf’s head in profile (Default)
From: [personal profile] sithjawa
True, and it seems like a "white people antiquity" thing? But I feel like we don't distinguish between classical and modern literature in the same way we distinguish between, say, classical nad rap music. (though, see also "fanfic isn't literature")
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Date: 2016-12-29 06:19 am (UTC)
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)
From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
I think there's a potential future where more internet connections get subject to the sort of invasive filtering that monitors for thoughtcrime words. And possibly ebooks, too.
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Date: 2016-12-13 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsutsujigirl.livejournal.com
I love AR. I used it in my classrooms and the kids absolutely loved it; they set individual goals for points, stored in their desks. It helps them have some independent texts on top of what I assign that they can actually read, so that they can sit at their desks and quit bugging me, and actually enjoy what they're reading (It's important to have a very wide variety of texts) Without levels, students tend to choose things that are too hard, and therefore aren't effectively reading, and AR is way more interesting than Basal readers, which is the other dry, horrible option for a struggling child. It also makes creating reading groups a breeze when combined with direct testing. My rule was three texts per child: one from me, one AR, and one free choice of any level (untested) in their desk at all times. Positive implementation is key, but my classes adored AR.

Mina's school uses lexile, which does help me pick some independent texts for her as gifts, but she has access to texts up to high school level, should she choose.

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